Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

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Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#1 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:02:16

Hallo to all,
let me introduce myself my name is Enrico and I live in northeastern Italy in Vicenza.

I'm sorry but I do not speak German, but thanks to Google transalate I read a lot of your interesting forum (though often to smile for the translation).
I want to present my project and read your impressions.
Link to Italian forum

http://www.camper4x4.net/web/index.php? ... mitstart=0


Begin a new story ....

In May Buy this ...

http://i44.tinypic.com/11m6e8m.jpg

It is a cell as a superb finishing accessories robustness insulation .... was a prototype of exposure is almost new and factory with a perfect layout for the changes that need to be placed on top of this ....


http://i44.tinypic.com/fkpbuw.jpg

It is a Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS former Enel with 80,000 Km demonstrable by the constant maintenance and Enel in excellent mechanical condition, Euro 2 zero electronic step 3200 in my opinion a good basis for what I have in mind ......

I tried to make the idea with the help of pc ..... what do you think?


http://i44.tinypic.com/kcd2w.jpg


Some features of the project:

Desertikon 4x4
6/7 Travel / bed
Step 4150
Length cell with extension to the second row 4 seats between 5.60 and 5.80 meters
2 steel tanks 400lt each.
H2O 100lt internal and 200 external
Boat 40lt tank with macerator for transfer in transportable
Wheel holder for 2-wheel convertible bike rack for 2 motor bikes read.
Dometic 220V 2.5 KW Generator - Air conditioning and cabin Cell Truma Saphir
Etc. ....
 
I await your comments and observations.

Bye Enrico

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#2 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:13:04

Some tests with Paint.net

Cabin bed with ...

http://i40.tinypic.com/2wp6qvt.jpg


With double cab

http://i42.tinypic.com/2d1kz1t.jpg

I like this .... but perhaps it is better to stretch the cell with fiberglass and create there 3 or 4 places more ..

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#3 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:18:52

some pictures of the beautiful interiors ....

http://i39.tinypic.com/jkx4w9.jpg


solid wood ..
http://i40.tinypic.com/23uzgc7.jpg


finally a bathroom comfortable after 30 years of many contortions in vans ... :blush:

http://i41.tinypic.com/kc16x3.jpg

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#4 Beitrag von Wilmaaa » 2013-11-03 13:25:44

Benvenuto, Enrico!

As you've already noticed, most discussions here are in German, but we have quite a few people in the forum who also speak English (and several other languages), so feel free to post questions etc. in English :)

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#5 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:30:36

His first ..... sand .... quartz sand ..... :D :D :D
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The chassis is perfectly healthy
Well now you just have to wait for the paint with gray Iveco IC444 .... I can not wait to see it painted

Bye Enrico

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#6 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:33:52

Thanks for the welcome , Wilmaaa.

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#7 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2013-11-03 13:46:06


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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#8 Beitrag von Lassie » 2013-11-03 16:20:49

Welcome!

... and interesting project! Keep on posting pics and let us know, how you are progressing.

Good luck
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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#9 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-18 18:42:14

Ciao :lol: :lol: :lol:

New steps forward .... ALKO chassis removed from the trailer

http://i41.tinypic.com/11id3jb.jpg

Removed the stands we've slipped under the Eurocargo ...

http://i41.tinypic.com/k13p5k.jpg


http://i42.tinypic.com/2hntnr5.jpg

Once in the garage we turned the cell ..... and positioned at the correct distance from the rear of the cabin, a distance that will serve to create the second row of seats can be transformed into the second bedroom separated from the main cell by partition wall with door.

http://i42.tinypic.com/6i5e7p.jpg

Here I modified the photo to get an idea of the proportions .....


http://i40.tinypic.com/qqzf60.jpg (on Tinypick click image to enlarge)

what do you think guys ? we like it ?



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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#10 Beitrag von Fireman2301 » 2014-01-18 19:58:04

Welcome !!!

Perfect Truck !!!! Great Project !!

I have a Iveco 95e21 too - look here : http://iveco95e21.blogspot.de/

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#11 Beitrag von rotertrecker » 2014-01-18 21:19:10

Hello Enrico and Welcome!

Very interesting project!

How wide is your Box? I was interested builing my Camper the same way, but mostly the caravans are only 2,0 or 2,2 m wide. My truck is 2,5 m wide, and i won´t lost this space...

The interiour is lokking nice!
And your Idea of the finished truck too!

Another Question: Drivers Cabin and the Caravan: will you connect them hard? Because that will be a problem while you drive offroad.
I ask, because it looks like this on your pictures...

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#12 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-19 12:49:18

rotertrecker hat geschrieben:Hello Enrico and Welcome!

Very interesting project!

How wide is your Box? I was interested builing my Camper the same way, but mostly the caravans are only 2,0 or 2,2 m wide. My truck is 2,5 m wide, and i won´t lost this space...

The interiour is lokking nice!
And your Idea of the finished truck too!

Another Question: Drivers Cabin and the Caravan: will you connect them hard? Because that will be a problem while you drive offroad.
I ask, because it looks like this on your pictures...

Greetings the tractor
Ciao Rotertrecker.

The original box dimensions are 5000 in length.
behind the width is 2200 and 2000 in the front, the front is the same width as the cab of the truck.

The original step of my Eurocargo was 3200 now is 4150 , now the length is 7800 width 2430.

The connection between the box and the frame dell'Eurocargo will be made by a subframe 4-point junction to avoid damaging the fiberglass box.

No , the connection will not be rigid but will allow the twisting between the truck cab and the cell ... because the cell is located on a subframe to 4 points

I thank this forum for helping me with the design of the subframe to 4 points, some photos have helped me to design it.

insert photos as soon as possible.

Bye Enrico

new step of Desertikon idea .... :eek:

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#13 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-19 14:17:30

Fireman2301 hat geschrieben:Welcome !!!

Perfect Truck !!!! Great Project !!

I have a Iveco 95e21 too - look here : http://iveco95e21.blogspot.de/

Bye

Andreas
Hello Andreas,
visited your blog in november 2013 good choice of truck is the same as my
zero electronics and excellent engine.
The truck is robust, simple, cheap spare parts and service network all over the world.

good luck to you "brother" of trucks !!! :D :D :D

Bye Enrico

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#14 Beitrag von Fluchtwagen » 2014-01-19 14:49:47

Hi Enrico,
your truck is looking good!
But how about the offroad-performance? Will there be enough space for an offset between the cab and the caravan? Looks pretty tight to me!
Keep up the good work!
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#15 Beitrag von danimilkasahne » 2014-01-19 14:57:16

made by Photoshop....?

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#16 Beitrag von DäddyHärry » 2014-01-19 15:28:45

Enrytre hat geschrieben:...http://i42.tinypic.com/6i5e7p.jpg
Here I modified the photo to get an idea of the proportions .....
http://i40.tinypic.com/qqzf60.jpg (on Tinypick click image to enlarge)
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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#17 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-19 16:14:45

Hello Markus,
Thank's for the comment , I have no experience but I think 80/90 mm should be sufficient so as not to collide the movement of the cab of the truck with the extension that I have to build the caravan.

What do you think about this? believe 80/90 mm sufficient?

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#18 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-19 16:18:03

danimilkasahne hat geschrieben:made by Photoshop....?
No only MS Paint.net is free e simply to use :idee:


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download ... px?id=5525

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#19 Beitrag von Fluchtwagen » 2014-01-19 18:44:24

Well, it looks more like 8 or 9 mm than the 80 or 90 mm you are talking about.
I just wanted to make sure that you keep the offset in mind, but I guess you have all bases covered as far as that is concerned.
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#20 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-19 19:34:12

Ah ok it' s only a graphic rendering ... Not real ....

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#21 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-25 18:39:02

The first video of Desertikon 4x4 !!! :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a3n-JGG ... e=youtu.be




I moved forward air tanks for the space you need for a ladder for the descent of the passengers back row and the installation of the tank Mercedes Actros 680 liters.
in the other side from the part of the driver there is the one Man 300 liters and space for another 200 liters of H2O to install.

http://www.camper4x4.net/web/images/fbf ... _1__2_.JPG

exit angle.

The frame goes Iveco shortened by 15 cm and is still space to build a tripod that supports a hoist to lift the bike rack, from the sides of the frame Iveco I released two removable rails to secure the bike rack total length of 7.90 meters without a bike rack about +80 cm for use with bike rack, bike rack that will be considered external load , then 2 tables with white / red hanging.

http://www.camper4x4.net/web/images/fbf ... torear.JPG

http://www.camper4x4.net/web/images/fbf ... _3__2_.JPG

http://www.camper4x4.net/web/images/fbf ... _4__1_.JPG

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#22 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-01-25 19:03:58

Well now we are talking about a 4-point subframe I thought about it in this way that I will post below.

Any advice improvement is expected and appreciated as I have no experience is the first subframe 4 points that project.

I found the web based on what I read manuals construction technique by tanker truck Australia and the USA manuals Bodybuilder Daily, Eurocargo , Trekker , Man TGM , Mercedes, Unimog , etc. + photo archive Basically everything that I've found in the last 6 months browsing .

Compared to those who have a cell based on a self-supporting military Schelter or a cell built with panels bearing frame my case has some more complication in fact my cell while being a single molded fiberglass hull nautical type is not designed for end of a 4x4 truck .

For this reason I have not trusted a subframe wiht spring that would have been vastly more simple to build , and I focused on a 4 point diamond subframe

I read about vibration and noise when the pins are stainless steel so I interposed against bushes vibration of industrial type.

http://i43.tinypic.com/24ysu14.jpg

there are infinite measures that I believe will opt for an internal diameter of 50 mm (where it passes the steel pin) with an outer diameter of the bushing on the 100/120 mm reach about 1500kg each.

http://i40.tinypic.com/9u698o.jpg

The subframe is made up of a cross to 5030x2000 mm with 4 vertices to the joints with bushings and pins.

The cross over that to create the space in height for the movement of the frame Iveco distancing from the same lot of 120mm strengthens the torsional rigidity of the subframe, it is a profiled by 120x60mm.

I highlighted with large red lines

http://i40.tinypic.com/n2ed4x.jpg

On this rests another grid subframe (in the scheme is not only sketchy to thicken lines) with profiles 60x40mm joists where the bottom of the cell, I'm thinking if you put on a sheet of marine plywood 20mm and in the interstices of the subframe close with insulation.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ewz9yx.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2vjvn9w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/t8u92u.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1z2hfye.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/1rooyc.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/mmvmlg.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/14cywlu.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/ves00m.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2cfs6qr.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/wrypeq.jpg

What do you think? you have any suggestions?

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#24 Beitrag von MUSKOLUS » 2014-02-07 23:29:57

To be honest, I don't think the original camper shell will stand the roof-top spare wheels...

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#25 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-02-08 12:51:51

Andreas Thanks for the advice, it's just for aesthetics in design, in reality or not will put the spare wheel in that position.

Bye Enrico


Another subframe foto :

http://i61.tinypic.com/2afbe9x.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/14nfct0.jpg

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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#26 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-02-08 12:59:35

Here is the plan of the caravan by adding the extension to the fitting caravan / truck cab.

This will bring the space for the second row of seats and adopting the FASP bench 3 seats it turns into a double bed in a "room" separate from the main body.


(see more details click on the image with right mouse button open in another tab)

http://i57.tinypic.com/1howtw.jpg :eek:

What do you think?

Do not be afraid to write your comments in German ..... if I do not understand google translator .... I .... something ask. :unwuerdig: :unwuerdig:

Thank you very much
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#27 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-02-09 14:29:59

The first rain for the Desertikon 4x4 :p :p

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4cMphIE ... e=youtu.be [/youtube]

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#28 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-02-21 19:49:40

hello guys ... a bit 'off topic ... here's what I have to tow when we go to the beach or the lake .............. 8mt desertikon + 9mt trailer :eek: :eek:


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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS

#29 Beitrag von Enrytre » 2014-03-22 13:46:07

Finally an update on the progress of the works of Desertikon 4x4 .

Being one of the most delicate phases of the creation of the 4 points of junction of the subframe has required the utmost care in planning and production , I think it came out excellent results I have to say that it is the engineer who designed that the workers have achieved a true work of mechanical art .


Here are some photos :

back support

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back support

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back support

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front support

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front support

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Side support

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side supports

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Side support

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View all 4 points of junction

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#30 Beitrag von landwerk » 2014-03-22 17:13:05

Moin,

...... Das geht dann wohl in 100 Jahren nicht kaputt ....

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