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Diesel tank heating probe

#1 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-24 15:09:24

Hello everyone, I ask the experts to find out what is the best solution to keep the diesel tank at an optimal temperature in extreme places with very low temperatures?

For our project we want to visit places where it is too cold for our axor mercedes !! Any recommendations to heat the tank with little energy consumption? and the oil hoses? or the filter? etc everything that a trip can not happen beyond -30 degrees of temperature .. Thanks for everything, enjoy 😊 greetings

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#2 Beitrag von egn » 2018-11-25 10:19:28

I use electrical heating pads, isolated PE tanks and heated Separ filter. Whether that works that has to be still tested.

As the engine has to run continuously anyway, you may add electrical or water heating to the diesel return pipe. And if the tank is isolated this may keep diesel warm enough.

But Arctic Diesel should be good for -40° C at least.
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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#3 Beitrag von Ulf H » 2018-11-25 11:17:11

... in which area an season do you want to drive ...

... heating the whole tank is not nessercary, heatind the fuel and filter helps a lot ... search for dieseltherm ...

... most imprtant is to fill in lokal diesel, they know wahtas needed for their climate ...

Gruss Ulf
Ein Problem, welches mit Bordmitteln zu beheben ist, ist keines !!!

Hanomag, der mit dem vollnussigen Kaltlaufsound !!

Sisu (finnisch) die positivste Umschreibung für Dickschädel.

Da ist man ständig dran die Karren zu verbessern, schlechter werden sie ganz von alleine.

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#4 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-27 10:50:29

Thank you all for the answers! Be interesting, I sent an email if I can get the system. In principle the idea is to go see the world! but I would not like to have to turn around because I do not have the necessary technical solutions.

I'd like to take places like these guys do! Among other interesting places 😩 https://www.4-xtremes.ch

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#5 Beitrag von Unimuck » 2018-11-27 17:43:41

Hallo,
wenn es günstig sein soll wäre das vielleicht etwas.
Über den Rücklauf sollte sich der Tank auch erwärmen.
Gruß Hartmut

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#6 Beitrag von Ulf H » 2018-11-27 19:06:41

... Elektrische (Diesel)heizungen fressen massenweise Strom, der muss erstmal wo herkommen ...

Gruss Ulf
Ein Problem, welches mit Bordmitteln zu beheben ist, ist keines !!!

Hanomag, der mit dem vollnussigen Kaltlaufsound !!

Sisu (finnisch) die positivste Umschreibung für Dickschädel.

Da ist man ständig dran die Karren zu verbessern, schlechter werden sie ganz von alleine.

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#7 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-28 14:40:56

Hi, thanks for the answers, we will take a gasoline generator, but it would also be interesting to know, how much energy do these resistances consume? a greeting

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#8 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-28 14:44:15

By the way, what do you think of this generator? Does anyone know him? does not specify where the engine comes from ... It says it's special for support of photovoltaic installations
:bored: greetings!!
https://genergy.es/english/guardian-fr6 ... generator/

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#9 Beitrag von Unimuck » 2018-11-28 14:45:20

Power consumption 24V 12A when cold, 2A when heated
Gruß Hartmut

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#10 Beitrag von Ulf H » 2018-11-28 14:47:46

... 1000 W Generator is enough ...

Gruss Ulf
Ein Problem, welches mit Bordmitteln zu beheben ist, ist keines !!!

Hanomag, der mit dem vollnussigen Kaltlaufsound !!

Sisu (finnisch) die positivste Umschreibung für Dickschädel.

Da ist man ständig dran die Karren zu verbessern, schlechter werden sie ganz von alleine.

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#11 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-28 19:18:05

I guess 1000w will not be enough to move the air conditioner;
dometic 3000 freshwell, for warm places. Greetings

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#12 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-28 19:19:10

Unimuck hat geschrieben:
2018-11-28 14:45:20
Power consumption 24V 12A when cold, 2A when heated
Thank you :D

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#13 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-11-28 22:28:56

Magicvehicle hat geschrieben:
2018-11-28 19:18:05
I guess 1000w will not be enough to move the air conditioner;
dometic 3000 freshwell, for warm places. Greetings
Any recommendation on a gasoline generator to move this air conditioner?🤔

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#14 Beitrag von egn » 2018-11-29 7:40:11

The Dometic 3000 freshwell is specified with 1.600 W. As air conditioners/heat pumps typically have a higher starting power and the generator shouldn't run above 80 % max power condinously I would look for 2000 - 2.500 W power.

But I wouldn't drive the Dometic directly by the generator. Instead I would install at least 10 kWh of battery capacity an inverter with 3000 W continuous power and use a smaller generator 1000 - 1500 W for providing power thru charger(s) to the Dometic. This way you also can run the Dometic from battery for short time and don't have to start the generator when you need 230 V.
Gruß Emil

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#15 Beitrag von Womox » 2018-12-01 0:10:34

Hi,
an option for heating is to use the cabin heating system if based on water. You can add an immersion heater in the diesel tank which is connected to the recirculation of the cabin heating system. If you combine that to a Heat exchanger between cabin heating system and engine cooling system you can also heat the fuel while driving.

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#16 Beitrag von campo » 2018-12-01 22:21:35

https://www.eberspacher.com/fileadmin/d ... _22382.pdf

It's easy to use a 24V thermoline for this application.
Thats a fuel line heater for large trucks.
Fire it 3 minutes before you start. 300Watt/24V
An extra "in tank" coolant water circulation system is only necessary for very low temperatures as minus 40°C
https://phillipsandtemro.com/solutions/ ... l-warming/

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#17 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-12-02 11:35:44

Moin, thank you very much everyone! There is very good information in this forum, I am learning a lot here. I am struck by the advice to operate the air conditioning through batteries, with a powerful inverter. In this way you only need a small 1,500w generator. On the other hand I would need 800ah of batteries !! 🤔

What is more stable or lasting over time?
800ah in lithium is still very expensive for me opinion ..

And if there is a problem with them I can not replace it.
I am not an expert, but the opinions of expert people tell me to choose "open" batteries for solar use! In this way they can last many years with proper maintenance.

I had a battery of 200ah agm in my old camper and the experience has not been good at all. In a few years they are spoiled ..
Any suggestions in this regard?

And the issue of heating the diesel tank or the filter also I want to take it into account. Our intention is to travel to different places, and I do not want the truck to be the limitation. We do not have goals, but I also do not want barriers when it comes to going somewhere.
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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#18 Beitrag von Magicvehicle » 2018-12-02 11:45:29

By the way, in terms of heating I'm thinking of simplifying .. All options are perfect, but there is one that catches my attention! dickinson or refleja diesel stoves or reduced size.
Apparently there are good reports and works at 5,000 meters without problem. But an electric towel rail in the toilet, and another electric radiator in the feet. In this way everything is simpler in my opinion.
Enjoy! :)

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Re: Diesel tank heating probe

#19 Beitrag von Gogomobil » 2018-12-03 23:59:03

An option to heat the Diesel without exess of generator power is to use the engines wasted energy. Al you need ist a "tube in tube" installation like this one:
http://pflanzenoelpumpen.de/html/sis_sc ... itung.html
An stofe with hot water and/or a heat exchanger at the exhaust of the Generator (hot gas to hot water) as backup wil keep the fuel warm in the case of engine stop
Gruss
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