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Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-22 17:58:26
von Enrytre
eh eh glaube ich auch überdimensioniert ....
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-22 18:36:37
von landwerk
Moin ...
Aaaber ....
.... Nur zwischen den Mittellagern hätte ich noch eine Zugstrebe gesetzt, damit der Rahmen nicht aussenrotiert und irgendwann reißt ...
LG
Oli
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-22 18:59:44
von Enrytre
Google Übersetzer kommt mit einer Übersetzung absurd Ich kann nicht verstehen, was du meinst
Sorry ....
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-24 13:21:21
von unihell
Hallo Enrico
der Fahrzeugherstelle gibt die Lage der neutralen Achse bei Verwindungen in seinen Aufbaurichtlinien genau an. Liegt die neutrale Verdrehachse ( X-Achse Aufbau) deiner Aufbaulagerung genau in der Verwindungsachse deines Fahrzeugrahmens (X-Achse Rahmen). Ansonsten müssen zwischen den Lagern Pendelstützen angeordnet werden, um die Querbewegung auszugleichen.
Weiterhin sind deine Traversen sehr massiv. Wegen den Rahmenverwindungen sind ide Quertraversen elastisch verdrehdehbar. Dien Traversen sind aber so stabil, dass dort keine Verwindung möglich ist. Das führt an den Schrauben zu einer Überlasung, emtweder brechen die Schrauben oder der Rahmen wird rund um die Schrauben ausreißen.
Die originalen Rahmenquertraversen haben deshalb ein kompliziertes Profil, um diese Verwindungen elastisch zu ermöglichen, ohne dass die Materialspannungen in den kritischen Bereich kommen.
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-26 0:12:30
von pairospam
Salve Enrico:
Penso di poter fare una suscinta traduzione di quello che alcuni dei foristi tentano de dirti. Loro credono, e devo dire che lo penso anch’Io, che le placche suportanti i pivoti, siano le longitudinali che le trasversali, siano troppo massiccie e/o lunghe e non permettano le distorsioni elastiche che senz’altro verrano subiti dal chassis nel uso fuoristrada, e dunque le forze torsionali, frenate dalle placche, passino direttamente ai pivoti e finalmente al sub-chassis della cabina col rischio di fratturarlo.
D’altrocanto, il lavoro sui ferri è alquanto notevole.
I miei migliori auguri e buon proseguimento.
Se hai bisogno puoi scrivermi per PM.
Pairoa
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-28 23:37:14
von Enrytre
Thanks Pairoa Google Translate English well enough but from German to Italian is very bad ... I sensed but not fully understood thanks again.
I do not know how it will behave in off-road but in trying to twist behaved very well no twisting of the subframe ...
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Here are photos of one of the most critical phases ...... the cross-lifting wheel.
Raised up to remove from the ground to the opposite wheels do not lift ..
The subframe has behaved properly! No twisting, perfectly aligned with 40mm twist of the original chassis Iveco.
I will not conceal that both me and the engineer that the workers this morning we were very happy with the result ...
To you the judgment and any findings of a technical nature ... for me as my first project I am proud then at least as a static test for the dynamic test using the means I have to wait but the premises of a good job are all there.
Bye Enrico
http://i58.tinypic.com/qxnhh4.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/2z70cus.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2mflojc.jpg
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-29 0:55:09
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-03-29 4:47:45
von pairospam
Enrico:
Excuse me but I have taken your pictures and checked what I thought at first sight was wrong with them, and it is clear with the guide lines that you have lateral bending of the longitudinal beam towards the right when twisting the frame the way you did.
This is not good. You have to compensate this effect or something will brake. Maybe allowing the central pivots glide a few millimeters side to side will help.
Cheers and keep the good work.
Pairoa
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-02 0:11:33
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-02 5:50:37
von landwerk
Hi,
it looks good.
The Truck seems to become wery flat but with much space.
i like this idea.
LG
Oli
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-02 7:19:59
von Enrytre
thank you, looks like to me, and the height should be under 3.6 meters and this 'positive, I worry about the rear overhang and that' sa bit too pronounced, unfortunately....
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-02 22:57:59
von Enrytre
Now ..
Tomorrow ..
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-04 20:59:35
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-04 21:26:34
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-30 20:01:56
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-04-30 20:07:54
von Enrytre
Cut or not cut ?? cut ... but where? Okay YESSSS .... 1, 2, 3 Cutttttttttt !!!
I had a nice job of accurately and easily with the grinding disc
Now rollbar to protect passengers who also gets support from the back door and the new fiberglass panels that stretch the trailer to the cab of the truck.
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-01 21:47:18
von Enrytre
Hello Guys,
Today I bought my second bike that will serve as a "tender" for my project.
It is a 2001 Honda XR650 kept very well over time.
The Enduro wheels are practically new, the bike has dual approval but was only used in configuration motard.
Here are photos and video
The video of the sound ......
http://youtu.be/5bP_OsYaUfc
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-17 17:52:45
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-18 10:32:27
von Freerider
Hey Enrico,
....your 4x4 looks so cool....yes....top job.
ps.
Jens
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-24 13:39:31
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-31 12:51:23
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-05-31 12:53:57
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-06-12 0:03:04
von Enrytre
Today I visited Desertikon to check work progress and we are well under way with the link cell cabin.
the frame to the floor where then attach the 2 benches FASP is finished, the door has now been defined to study the slider on 2 wheels and crane with winch.
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-06-23 18:33:57
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-06-25 17:14:01
von Harthmann
Ciao Enrico,
auguri e complimenti per il tuo lavoro, come vedi ci sono più "soci" nel forum che parlano anche l'italiano e che ti seguono.
Saluti dal Nord - o meglio dal Alto Adige.
Harthmann
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-09-20 19:08:47
von Enrytre
Ohh grazie Hartmann scusa se non ti ho risposto subito ma era da un pò che non entravo a causa delle vacanze.
Io adoro l'Alto Adige sono 6 anni che lavoro in Trentino Alto Adige , ho anche comprato un appartamento al Lago di Caldonazzo per essere più vicino ai miei clienti quindi dal martedì al venerdì vivo nella tua meravigliosa regione e mai più cambierò zona di lavoro si sta troppo bene.
Grazie e chissà mai che fra un anno non mi vedi girovagare in Alto Adige magari per andare a Livigno dove farò più volentieri i 1000 litri di gasolio del Desertikon !!!
A presto.
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-09-20 19:13:13
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-09-27 18:07:10
von Enrytre
hello guys,
Another update will start the construction of the bike rack ....
http://youtu.be/bUYbsD5B8DQh
Bye Enrico
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-10-19 15:26:29
von Enrytre
Re: Desertikon 4x4 on Iveco Eurocargo 95e21WS
Verfasst: 2014-11-17 23:39:41
von Enrytre