Actros / SK 1990s

[lura]

In the experience of the seller it is the only way it works.
The guys with many questions are not the buyer.
I buy only a truck when i can invest 3 time the selling price to make it ready.
And if anyone has not enough money to finish the project, he looses more money when he must sell the parts of it.

[sprocket3]

In the experience of the seller it is the only way it works.
The guys with many questions are not the buyer.
I buy only a truck when i can invest 3 time the selling price to make it ready.
And if anyone has not enough money to finish the project, he looses more money when he must sell the parts of it.

To me a seller who refuses an inspection is trying to hide problems, and knows it won't sell after being inspected. Or the market is strong enough that he can just sell it without be bothered by those details. The truck is on the market for over a month, so the demand is not that strong.

[lura]

That's right, in december till February is mostly not much demand. I think to, is is a good time for cheep buying

[Bushrider65]

What's stopping you from driving over to the dealer to inspect the truck yourself ?
Europe is a village and distances are small .

[sprocket3]

What's stopping you from driving over to the dealer to inspect the truck yourself ?
Europe is a village and distances are small .

I'm in the US. I have a buyer that can go look at it, but it's a big trip for him (expensive for me). I thought an inspection locally would be simple.

[Bushrider65]

I see .
Nevertheless - coming over - combining it with a few days vacation in good old Europe might be cheaper than buying the cat in the sack

[Wilmaaa]

buying the cat in the sack

For the non-German speakers: don't buy the pig in a poke, don't make a "blind bargain".
By the way, the phrase "letting the cat out of the bag" seems to be related to the phrase "pig in a poke". When, in former times, a market trader told an unsuspecting buyer that there's a pig (or rather a piglet) in a (closed) poke, but had put for example a cat in the poke, which was a less expensive animal, and the buyer didn't check and opened the poke at home, the "cat was out of the bag", meaning, truth came to light.

Coming back to the original question: I agree that it might be less hassle if you came over to look at some vehicles with your own eyes. If you find potentially suitable vehicles in Germany, you can always ask for assistance here and chances are that there is someone in the vicinity who can come with you when you look at the truck.

[sprocket3]

I agree with you both on coming to look. The problem is I already scheduled my vacations for next 4 months and really liked this truck. I offered the seller full price pending an acceptable inspection which seemed reasonable. He wants 50k for it, so it needs to be in top condition at that price.

[DäddyHärry]

Sprocket, did the seller agree to a test Drive in advance? Then you could head for the next Mercedes Truck Dealer for a technical inspection.
Sorry to provide No more Help. Tho' my grandmother in law was Born in lithuania, i doubt she could be of more assistance than eventually curse the seller...

Good luck and Kind regards
Harry

[w3llschmidt]

He wants 50k for it, so it needs to be in top condition at that price.

Where is this truck located at?

[DäddyHärry]

Henrik, der steht in Litauen.

Gruß Härry

[sprocket3]

That truck is gone. The seller was not interested in allowing any inspection at all. Searching again this month.

[sprocket3]

Any advice on what transmissions are good in the 1990-2000 SK and Actros?

I was told to avoid the EPS in the early Actros trucks. It looks like they used 6sp and 8sp gearboxes from Getrag and ZF.

My focus is on the Actros from 1998-2000 with the straight manual 8speed split.

[sprocket3]

Hi,


Fahrgestell
Aggregate
SA-Code
SA-Nummern

AL3 Vorderachse 7,5 t
AM3 Hinterachse H7 13,0 t Tellerrad 300
AP6 Achsübersetzung i = 4,143 (HL7)
B02 Bremsanlage, Antiblockiersystem (ABS)
BB6 Trommelbremse an VA und HA
C95 Wegfall Heckunterfahrschutz (EG)
CL9 Lenkung LS 6/LS 8
EC6 Anhängersteckdose 15-polig
EC7 Anhängersteckdose 12 V, 13-polig
ED5 Parametrierbares Sondermodul (PSM)
ER3 MB-Radio Sound 4024
ET1 Spannungswandler 24/12V, 8A
EV1 Vorrüstung Bündelfunk 12V
F05 Fahrerhaus M (mittellang)
F34 Fahrerhausrückwand ohne Fenster
FE5 Fensterheber elektrisch, Fahrer- und Beifahrertür
FL4 Komfortfahrerhauslagerung vorn (1,8 HZ)
FS9 Außenspiegel, elektrisch, Fahrerseite
FZ7 Wegfahrsperre, mit Transponder
GC3 Getriebe G 210-16/14,2-0,83
GS3 Getriebeschaltung "hydraulisch"
GV1 Verteilergetriebe VG1700 - 3W, 2-Gang
I72 Reifen schlauchlos, 315/80 R 22,5 VA/NLA
I73 Reifen schlauchlos, 315/80 R 22,5 HA
IA1 Radformel 4x4
IB5 BAUREIHE SKN-V TP"B"
IB7 Baureihe SKN-V
IC2 Kipperfahrgestell
ID1 Blattfederung
IL2 Export-Code
IQ5 Radstand 3900 mm
IV0 18,0-Tonner
J10 Tachometer km
J70 Drucklufthorn
K40 Tankschloss
KH7 Auspufftopf, Endrohr seitlich nach außen
KS2 Haupttank 300 l, Stahl
L16 Nebelscheinwerfer, Halogen
L26 Zusatzscheinwerfer
MD9 Tempomat
MK1 Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzer elektronisch, 104 km/h
MX1 Motor, V6, LA, 230 kW (313 PS), 1800/min
NC1 Doppel-NA MB 125-11b/2c, Flansch+MPA, M-Drehzahl
NZ2 Nebenabtrieb, doppelt
Q18 Schlussquerträger, geschraubt
QC6 Vorderfeder, 7,5 t, hart
QE9 Hinterfeder, 13,0 t, hart
R04 Radmutternabdeckung
R38 Steilschulterfelgen 9,00 x 22,5
R60 Reserveradhalter, provisorisch
SG6 Komfortpaket Fahrerschwingsitz, "Isringhausen"
TM1 Gewichtsvariante 19,0 t (7,5/13,0)
X57 Geräuschmaßnahmen, EG 96/20
Y28 2 Unterlegkeile
Y33 Aufpumphilfe, Steilschulterfelgen
Z91 Export-Lieferumfang
353U feuerrot

Regards
Arno

Hello.. Where do I get this data from VINs? can you suggest web site ?

[Postkutscher]

Hello,

there is no website where you can find the correct information. All free websites have cracked versions with fails . Sometimes you find a big truck an you can read : 15" alloy rims , for example-

I am allowed to use the original Mercedes Truck web parts system. It is to search parts with the correct VIN . Because of this it is possible to find the Datacard in this programm.

Regards

[Pirx]

Any advice on what transmissions are good in the 1990-2000 SK and Actros?

I was told to avoid the EPS in the early Actros trucks. It looks like they used 6sp and 8sp gearboxes from Getrag and ZF.

My focus is on the Actros from 1998-2000 with the straight manual 8speed split.

I think, in the Actros you will only find Mercedes-Benz gearboxes.

In the predecessor SK, it might be possible to find a ZF gearbox. But these will be rare, the bigger part of them was also equipped with their own MB gearboxes.

I have never ever heard about a Getrag gearbox in a HD Mercedes-Benz Truck.

Pirx

[lura]

Dear Pirx, thank You, Im really relieved about that.

[Uwe]

In the predecessor SK, it might be possible to find a ZF gearbox. But these will be rare, the bigger part of them was also equipped with their own MB gearboxes.

Hmm, in my remembrance, the Daimer-Boxes in the SK were EPS-Boxes whilst manual Boxes were still supplied by ZF :o

Uwe

[Pirx]

In the predecessor SK, it might be possible to find a ZF gearbox. But these will be rare, the bigger part of them was also equipped with their own MB gearboxes.

Hmm, in my remembrance, the Daimer-Boxes in the SK were EPS-Boxes whilst manual Boxes were still supplied by ZF :o

Uwe

Laut Teileinformation hatten die SK der letzten Bauzeit vor der Einführung des Actros (NG88) ausschließlich Mercedes-Benz-Getriebe. Sowohl manuell als auch mit EPS.

Wohlgemerkt, wir reden hier von schweren LKW ab 17 Tonnen Gesamtgewicht aufwärts. Nicht von einem 12-Tonner oder so ...

Pirx

[sprocket3]

Hello,

there is no website where you can find the correct information. All free websites have cracked versions with fails . Sometimes you find a big truck an you can read : 15" alloy rims , for example-

I am allowed to use the original Mercedes Truck web parts system. It is to search parts with the correct VIN . Because of this it is possible to find the Datacard in this programm.

Regards

Is this information in the Mercedes EPC system that people use?

[Nosilentrunning]

I have a ZF16S190 Manual 16 Gear (4*2+Split) in my 1990 SK but it's a NAW retrofit. So it's possible but not very common

[Uwe]

I have a ZF16S190 Manual 16 Gear (4*2+Split) in my 1990 SK but it's a NAW retrofit. So it's possible but not very common

Einen 1729 mit ZF-Ecosplit bin ich auch ein paar Runden gefahren, daher ja der obige Einwurf, die Umstellung auf Daimler-Getriebe wird nicht von einem Tag auf den anderen stattgefunden haben...

[Nosilentrunning]

Ich wollte nur sagen ausgeliefert von Daimler war ein anderes Getriebe drin (keine Ahnung welches). Das ZF wurde - zwar von einer Daimler-Tochter - nur nachgerüstet. Eventuell ist das bei allen Ecosplit so?

[sprocket3]

Hello,

I'm in Germany this week looking a few trucks. Can anyone help with build details with this VIN please. I have appointment to see it, but want to be prepared with specs. The web pages I've tried don't seem accurate

It's an 1831 AK

VIN: WDB6553071K264185

[sprocket3]

Hello,

there is no website where you can find the correct information. All free websites have cracked versions with fails . Sometimes you find a big truck an you can read : 15" alloy rims , for example-

I am allowed to use the original Mercedes Truck web parts system. It is to search parts with the correct VIN . Because of this it is possible to find the Datacard in this programm.

Regards

Hello.. Let me know if you can pull another VIN for me. I found a truck I want to look at this week.

[Postkutscher]

Hello,

yes i can .

Arno

[sprocket3]

Hello,

yes i can .

Arno

Ok.. I sent you a PM thank you very much.

[Pirx]

Hello,

I'm in Germany this week looking a few trucks. Can anyone help with build details with this VIN please. I have appointment to see it, but want to be prepared with specs. The web pages I've tried don't seem accurate

It's an 1831 AK

VIN: WDB6553071K264185

You're welcome ...
Unfortunately it is all in german.

Motor:44593010923136 (38V)OM 441 LA
Mechanisches Getriebe:71524210467331 (04H)G 210-16/14,2-0,83
Lenkung:76588017150088 (22W)LS 8
Aufbau:64281415307606 (55L)642642
Vorderachse 1:731014V409869 (12F)AL 7/5 D-7
Hinterachse 1:740957V409476 (18G)HL 7/07 D-11,5
Verteilergetriebe:75086010002434 (25J)VG 1700-3W/1,403

A42 Aktuell keine Code-Benennungen vorhanden sales
A71 Differentialsperre Hinterachse sales
A87 Achsteile für ABS sales
B02 Antiblockiersystem (ABS) sales
B08 Geräuschmaßnahmen Bremsanlage sales
B65 Drucklufttrockner, beheizt sales
B99 Wegfall Anhängerbremse und Steckdose sales
BA7 Pedalbock sales
C53 Lenksäulenhalter, verstellbar sales
CF1 Fahrgestellumfang Euro II-Motor sales
CF9 Wartungsfreie Federlagerung SK-Fahrzeug sales
CL9 Lenkung LS 6/LS 8 sales
D38 Steckverbindung, Zentralschmierung Antriebsachsen sales
D75 Einstieg sales
D79 Elektronik-Bausteine, Aufbau sales
D87 Zusatzteile, Differentialsperre sales
E18 Befestigung, Elektronik-Bausteine sales
E21 Batterie(n), verstärkt sales
E99 Polabdeckung, Batterien sales
EA1 Sicherungsdose zusätzlich, Klemme 30 sales
EA3 Sicherungsdose zusätzlich, Klemmen 15R+D+ sales
EC6 Anhängersteckdose, 15-polig sales
EE3 Vorrüstung Elektrik, Nebenantrieb bei FMR sales
F07 S-Fahrerhaus sales
F17 Fahrerhaus, schmal sales
F34 Fahrerhausrückwand ohne Fenster sales
F69 Spiegel, elektrisch verstellbar, Beifahrerseite sales
FL1 Facelift sales
FS9 Außenspiegel, elektrisch, Fahrerseite sales
G74 Kupplung, fernbedient sales
GA5 GETRIEBE G 210-16/14,2-0,83 MECH. sales
IL1 Inland (Deutschland) sales
J10 Tachometer km sales
J37 DREHZAHLMESSER UND MOTORWARTUNGSZAEHLER sales
J53 BREMSBELAGVERSCHLEISSANZEIGE sales
L09 Blinkgeber 24 V, 4 + 1 x 21 W sales
L16 Nebelscheinwerfer, Halogen sales
L35 Leuchtweitenregler sales
L85 SEITLICHE RUECKSTRAHLER sales
LB2 Vorrüstung Markierungsleuchten, seitlich sales
M41 Generator 28 V/80 A sales
MB1 Motorbremse, mit Konstantdrossel sales
MC3 Motor, V6, LA, 230 kW (313 PS), 2100/min, Euro II sales
MK2 VORRUESTUNG FUER EXTERNE MOTORREGELUNG sales
MK7 Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzer elektronisch, 100 km/h sales
NF3 Nebenantrieb MB 125-10b, Flansch, SH-Drehzahl sales
P44 Kotflügel, für Fahrgestell-Überführung sales
Q18 Schlussquerträger, geschraubt sales
Q90 Wegfall Anhängerkupplung sales
R88 Tublex-Felgen 8,25-22,5, schmal, für 12 R 22,5 sales
R91 Wegfall Reserverad/Reservefelge sales
S28 Mittelsitz, mit Sicherheitsgurt sales
S30 Kopfstütze, Fahrersitz sales
S32 Kopfstütze, Beifahrersitz sales
S33 KOPFSTUETZE FUER MITTELSITZ sales
S68 SICHERHEITSGURT AUTOMATIK FAHRERSITZ sales
S69 SICHERHEITSGURT AUTOMATIK BEIFAHRERSITZ sales
X30 Zulassungsbescheinigung, Teil II (Brief) sales
X33 Prüfbuch sales
X57 Geräuschmaßnahmen, EG 96/20 sales
XD3 Gewichtsvariante 21 sales
XS3 Hinweisschild "G", lärmarm nach §49 STVZO sales
Y10 Verbandtasche sales
Y18 FLEXIBLES DIAGNOSE SYSTEM (FDS) sales
YA9 WEGFALL ZENTRALSCHMIERANLAGE sales
YB9 C5-Elektronik sales
Z56 Ablieferungsinspektion, für Feuerwehr-Fahrzeuge sales
ZA4 CTT-Fahrzeug, Umbau Werk Molsheim sales
ZA8 Aktuell keine Code-Benennungen vorhanden sales
353U feuerrot sales
912O chassisschwarz seidenglanz sales

Pirx

[sprocket3]

Thank you. Do you think these are the “fast axles”?

The specs seem foreign to me compared to last truck that I wanted.

[Pirx]

Thank you. Do you think these are the “fast axles”?

The specs seem foreign to me compared to last truck that I wanted.

I don't know what a "fast axle" in a 1831 AK means.

What I know is:
- the gearbox has a "fast" high gear (0,83:1)
- axle diffs are 27:18 ratio (1,5)
- axle planetary gears are 3,4 ratio
- total axle ratio is 1,5 x 3,4 = 5,1

Pirx